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Including the guy who had $500 and was thinking of Fortes. Secondly, the altecs easliy go down to 30hz. Regarding the 511 change I have a split center, I think I am going to by a single horn and build a new HF box for it to A/B and decide from there. (You must log in or sign up to reply here. he builds a couple of different size tractrix horns. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Affiliate programs and By Just spent all day comparing Tannoy 15'' Gold, JBL 4430, Altec 19 thread, []. What is the amplification used for Amphion and how do they sound? In my personal opinion the K-horn is , as I ca. I have never heard the 19 pitted against the Khorn, but I agree that it is a very good speaker. Set of 2 Two Vintage Altec Lansing A7 Speakers Wood Cabinets . As any one who has spent very much time & experimentation in this hobby soon learns the significance of room & our personal hearing choice & cost is a major consideration. Altec horn numbers give you a hint to the low frequency cut off of the horn. Well you'll see lots of guys around here modding their Klipsch speakers with various Altec compression drivers, horns and woofers but I've NEVER seen Altec guys modding their speakers with Klipsch parts. I replaced the stock Midrange Horn of the Khorn with a pair of 1005B Altec horns with 288-16K drivers. First off, and IMO very importantly, the 19s have much better extended HF responseinfact, the Khorns don't go much over 17k. My type "B" network for the Cronwall is fixed at on crossover frequency and one set of levels. Altec actually better than many expensive gears I heard. I hope you are aware the A7 is an industrial looking box intended to be custom finished for residential use. I've been building a small collection of Altec, JBL, Klipsch, and Dukane speaker drivers and complete speakers. wouldn't suggest that any BRAND of Some of you talk about the 19s as tho they were the A7 voice of the theaters. ok .. point taken .. whaddabout the EV 350t biradial ..?? I agree that the Khorns are good speakers, but I wonder if some of you are hearing the same 19s that I am hearings. Vintage Beat: The Altec Lansing Funny that this would come back up? The thoughts of previous posts are right on. I still to date have both speakers and like them for thier strengt They are HUGE and so is their sound. Altec spec sheets show 30hz- 20khz freq response, Khorns show 33hz- 17khz. Add to cart. LOL.. My concern is the motorboad for my La Sclala's, I think I will need a new mount for my K77 outside the HF section. Your link has been automatically embedded. The entire series was gradually expanded for use in general sound reinforcement and later converted in extreme high-end audio segments for hi-fi home use. This article was originally published in audioXpress, September 2020. HERES Why Your Subwoofer is Bottoming Out (And How to FIX It!) I do NOT recommend that combination. Sound 80 mix-masters could achieve 110+dB at the console. Altec I noticed you used JBL drivers in your Belles. Does it have to do with the dispersion properties of the horns? Have fun with it. Schu it sounds ultimately good and accurate. Powered by Invision Community. Your link has been automatically embedded. technical data seem to indicate the Jubs would be better. each and is known to produce a sound pressure level of 105 dB with just 1 watt. Those wooden horns look very cool. feet or more from any corner in which there are Khorns. I want him to try them out. The weak point is that K501 and K401 horn itself! It was to prove that the 511b would go below 500 Hz down to 400. Notice how you can't name a single one that doesn't? you note that the jubilees, 'in themselves have not made me a happier man. You cannot paste images directly. The pair of tractrix horns, built by forum friend, just fit inside the top hat. Not my intent at all. In listening to the A7 in one corner, and the Khorn in the other, I felt the Khorn was warmer and brassier, while the A7 was colder. It won't interfere with the woofer at all. " The entire series was gradually expanded for use in general sound reinforcement and later converted in extreme high-end audio segments for hi-fi home use. For the Belle you can do better. Bloody awesome info! http://forums.klipsch.com/idealbb/view.asp?topicID=53469, you will love the 511/ 902 driver combo, with maybe an ev 350, or beyma tweeter. DM Quote CaptnBob 1) Good horns tend to sound more like other good horns than non-horn speakers. Both of these are good brands, IMO. As always, it's You cannot paste images directly. The K-horns play so deep, down to 20 cycles, that you don't need a sub. These were Klipschorns, Jubilees and LaScalas. As for tonal balance and voicing, well that varies I have never been of the opinion, that any speaker is best at everything, including my A7's. Your previous content has been restored. Price: US $4,000.00. I'm thinking of building a set of two way CW-like speaker using 811-b horn and 816-8 altec woofer (we can call it 811-Cornscala). to my ears the tractrix mid horns have a more open sound. They also sound terrific at extremely low SPLs (I have never heard "fade-outs" reproduced better than on Altec drivers) as well as at concert sound levels. Paste as plain text instead, Full fledged folded horns of Klipsch don't have the step down in the curve as the Altecs do inw their straight axis short horn/bass reflex co Clear editor. Fits standard Altec Drivers 1.4 3-bolt Dimensions 37 1/2" W x 19" H x 31" D Weight 30.5 lbs each unpacked. Free shipping for many products! Many Altec sheets used to say their tweeters went out to 22K Hz, but I have never seen this confirmed by other testers. Sectoral horns only available for the A7's. What they share is their horn design and their efficiency. This is a wonderful pair of Klipschorn Type AK-2 Walnut Veneer in Very Good to Excellent condition. The difference is likely lower distortion of the Khorn. The Altecs haved dynamics coupled with an effortlessness that's essentially unmatched by anything else even close to reasonably sized or priced. Yes, the 511 takes up the entire top front of the LaScala. Powered by Invision Community, Now that is the toppest of notches you are ever gonna get [Y]. The Jubs are Fabulous & perform as most other owners have described far more eloquent then I can. ). Ok, so how different would the K-401 compare to the Tactrix? []. Altec Voice of the Theatre Yes, I use JBL 2426h drivers on 811b horns in my Belles. Yes, I know it's the sound that matters most but when you're talking about $15,000 speakers (CORRECTION! The La Scala has the BAD K400 squawker horn from the Klipschorn and the Cornwall has the higher I have consistently found that I 'like" whatever is new in my listening room. It has a more open, natural-sounding midrange and is highly detailed with less horn coloration and listener fatigue. Sorry for that , but I cant agree . It has much more bass than the Heresy, is more I have never been a fan of aluminum or titanium tweeters. This matches the High Fidelity review of the Khorns from December 1963, which states that the Khorns bass "extended smoothly to well below 30 cycles [cycles per second being Hz in '60s talk], with doubling occuring at about 20 to 23 cycles, depending on how hard the system was driven." But saying that you disagree with my statement makes no sense. The A7 (pictured here) is What are the physical dimmensions for the horn. And that was with the K-55 driver mated to it. I had an Altec 19 for myself much years ago , I compared these pair of Altecs with a K-horn . Others have different opinions that are just as valid. In picking out a speaker, I would rank extended listening as much more important than spec sheets, or even independent testing. well, the Khorns and LaScalas both use the venerable K-401 horn. Altec Voice of the Theatre on thevintageknob.org I have owned Cornwalls and Klipschorns and presently have a pair of Altec Lansing Model 19s. They have the most advanced crossovers which are really fine tuned for the drivers. Xovers: The K-horn did this very well considering they had 3 drivers to contend with. You didn't specify in your posting what particular Klipsch speakers you are thinking of, and most respondents have referred to various herita i can perfectly visualize what you are describing thank you for taking the time to help me understand something that maybe fundimental to others. would love to hear it. The "little" A8 is a sleeper. Are they really that different??? The Model 19 was intended and designed as a domestic loudspeaker, not for theatre sound reinforcement. Fast transients, no power compression, amazing detail and dynamics, vs. mush for reflex..yuck. What crossover frequency were you planning on using? It may be worth noting that in their newest hi-end product, Klipsch uses direct radiator bass. The Klipschorn Ak6 is a three-way, fully-loaded speaker with a greater than average sensitivity and size. Even our host has spoken at length about horn shout on this very forum. When you post a question like yours on the Klipsch Forum, you will find many respondents that prefer Klipsch speakers. I really don't think its as cut and dry as some of you guys say and out of the two systems, if anyone is a limitied compromise, I really feel its the Khorn. What driver would you recommend for the 511B horn? All of the different speakers & various amps have been a wonderful learning experience along the way, I was financially fortunate enough to take my hobby & Klipsch journey to Mr. Pauls final creation,. Altec Lansings Voice of the Theatre Speakers - audioXpress DIY Corner Horns,McIntosh C-26,McIntosh 2505,Micro-Seiki DD-40 TT with Grado reference master,Pioneer RT-909 reel to reel. 3 way vs. 2 way Klipschorn AK6 Offers Improved Performance Pasted as rich text. Q-man and Rick are both excellent resources on this subject. By definition, then, the one on the left is an A7 type. Klipsch Klipschorn AK6 loudspeaker Page Its all about compromise because nothing does it all well. Waiting on Xenforo to set a date for installing the upgrades. Having heard both in a number of different rooms and setups,The Klipschorn is more room dependent and Amplifier dependent than the Altec 19s. When the room is Big and Khorns are in Proper Corners and you have good tube amplification the Klipschorns will smoke the Altec 19s. You cannot paste images directly. If the WAF is a problem, consider covering the big horn mouthes with grille cloth. It should outperform IME the Klipsch version (s) to a degree in that its rear-loaded horn is more defined rather than a simple slot at the rear of the cabinet. It might be hard to find a pair to listen to, but search the forum to see if somebody near you has them, and will let you listen. Got rid of them quickly after I got a pair of 846A Valencias. Of couse, I am wasting my breath on a Klispch forum typing thishaha. I miss them sometimes, but the La Scalas, while not excavating the depths of low end response, still do a very satisfactory job. BUT, the model 19s are great full range speakers and technically they extend lower and higher than the khorn. I had an Altec 19 for myself much years ago , I compared these pair of Altecs with a K-horn . 811B Horns - Technical/Restorations - The Klipsch Audio 4) Paul Klipsch ran curves of the Altec A7 v.s. both the La Scala and the Klipschorn in the '60s. They are reproduced somewhere on this forum. Altec spec sheets show 30hz- 20khz freq response, Khorns show 33hz- 17khz. WebPassive crossovers built into the horn boxes, not sure if these are Altec. Both companies make speakers lots of people like. Yeh. This website and its contents are copyright 2020 KCK Media Corp. All rights reserved. You can post now and register later. Waiting on Xenforo to set a date for installing the upgrades. A design by John Hilliard, Altec Lansing Voice of the Theatre systems originally targeted movie theaters. Furthermore, most of the graphs I've seen done on Khorns don't have extended highs or the flattest frequency response. The midrange is from the direct-radiating cone woofer and not from a horn-loaded Upload or insert images from URL. vs On 1/20/2005 8:40:10 AM Al Klappenberger wrote: Guys, The only comparison plots I did was of the K55 on an Altec 511b horn versus on a 2.8k. Best Offer: It weighs about 220 lb. Off the topic, I have just bought a pair of Gradient SW-63s, a pair of dipole subs specifically designed to accompany Quad ESL-63s. very different. Discussion in 'Speakers' started by timsclips, Sep 28, 2013. Pasted as rich text. The A7-500-8 features improved high-frequency projection over the A7-8, but both are less sensitive and capable of slightly less maximum acoustic output than the A5X. Biggest Improvement I made in Audio in over 30 years when I Installed these. This article explains what we need to know about these speakers that are still highly sought-after with many still in use in cinemas. Discussion in 'Speakers' started by SixCats!, Dec 20, 2006. Posted January 20, 2005. I'm going to approach this from a FAST/WAW perspective with an Altec 511B metal horn providing the critical range of frequencies rather like a full range driver would in some of the popular FAST/WAS projects in the Full Range forum here. Altec Midrange Horn System - Transform your Klipschorns I said that because any time anyone mentions obtaining Klipsch on other forums, you ALWAYS mention Jubilees if you post in the thread. WebBuy Klipsch Heritage here: https://paducahhometheater.com/collections/klipsch-heritagePaducah Home Theater / PHT TV - Ep. Clear editor. Personally I don't like them. They are two ways, and I think they 'lose' some of the music that a good three way like the Klipschorn can prov two way - Jubilee. I currently own both. They both do differnt things well. I have to say that if I put the amount of money into the Altecs that I have in Changing either one is vertually impossible without a total redesign! The classic look of this iconic loudspeaker is completed through the use of retro software luster grill cloth that includes a cast zinc Klipschorn logo. Their top of the line residential unit at the time was the Laguna, with two 803B LF drivers and a 511B horn with 802D HF driver. Your previous content has been restored. the Amazon Associates Program via amazon.com. Scaling it up for a 15" woofer would be a very interesting project. It takes me about a month of really careful listening and comparison to really get over this novelty effect and come to an understanding of what each pair of speakers really sounds like. The crossovers are ALK designed.The speakers are currently equipped with K-401 horns and K-55 drivers.I am thinking about switching to Altec 811B horns and 808 8A drivers.Can I do this without modifing the crossovers? WebVoice of the Theatre A7-500-8 For smaller theatres, or where space is at a premium for multitrack systems, the A7 is the choice. But the RFs cross at 2000hz and even higher. January 19, 2005 in Technical/Restorations. Pasted as rich text. You can use them anywhere, as they are no longer corner horns. You need the Altec 511b horn instead. For the record, I bought an original set of Altec A7-500s in 1968, and they are still my main speakers - modified, of course. In at least one pitting of the Altec A7 against the Khorn, the Khorn had considerably better very high frequency response, even though both did not extend much beyond 15K Hz. Khorns show 33hz- 17khz. 811 horns have a low frequency cut-off of 800Hz and won't go much below that. You can post now and register later. Altec You can't crossover the LaScala or Klipschorn that high. The Altec Lansing A2 'Voice of the Theatre' loudspeaker combines two 210 low-frequency cabinets with four 515E drivers, and one 1005B horn with two 288-16K high-frequency compression drivers - a theater classic! The A7-500-8 features improved high-frequency I've been building a small collection of Altec, JBL, Klipsch, and Dukane speaker drivers and complete speakers. Altec A7 Edit: Just found 4 on e-Bay, if the price stays low enough might pull the plug on three. Altec Model 19 vs Klipsch La Scala "Are the Vintage altecs as desirable as the klipsch seems to be?" ..not around here they ain't! [] Intriguing, Daddy Dee, but I think (since the wife is just a little tired of my projects) I'll go with what we already planned on which is a new pair of Klipschorns.unless you think getting an older pair of Khorns and modding it like you did with the Tractrix is really the way to go? The box defines the woofer horn, so the only part left glad to hear you are enjoying the Altecs. This is a win-win situation. Dr Morbius a new pair of Khorns will sound fabulous. Altec Model 19 vs Klipsch Cornwall | Audiokarma Home Audio Khorns have surprisingly high WAF. Dr Morbius: It looks like, as of June 2, you still haven't bought anything. Enjoy my friends, now back to our Altec mdl. how hard is it to fix or replace the horn on a 19? I haven't No mean feat. I don't have the Model 19's but do have the Model 18 with the 604 8H driver and prefer the mids over the Khorns.The mids are much smoother.I like the point source driver the best. I can't listen to the Klipsch for very long periods of time on SS. I tested them using some Altec CDs and also K-55 and Selenium D-250X. this can result in this site earning a commission. Anyway, I'm intrigued about what you said regarding changing/upgrading the mid squawker in the Khorn. You cannot paste images directly. 1) Timbre shifts due to SPL polar control issues vs. frequency - with particular emphasis on both vertical and horizontal polar patterns that are bandpassed due to loss of polar control. Like a Klipschorn 20 great HF watts is all you will ever need. klipsch Versus Altec Lansing - The Klipsch Audio Good condition items function properly but may exhibit some wear and tear. Altec 604 coaxial - 2-Channel Home Audio - The Klipsch Audio Last edited: Apr 26, 2022 The Klipschorn is all horn-loaded (the Heresy is not in the woofer), weighs 175 lbs (each) and stands 51 inches tall. The only comparison plots I did was of the K55 on an Altec 511b horn versus on a K501 (Belle) horn. and get rid of my large directs radiator subs, for an all-horn system top to bottom! I had to "eq" the tar out of it just to get it to go flat up to 7500 Hz where I crossed it over to the tweeter. It's reality. Display as a link instead, I'll upgrade it with some Amphenol RCA and WBT binding posts and Mundorf silver-gold caps. We will let you know in advance of AK going offline during the upgrade install. Looks like maybe 1940's vintage 2A3 tubes, too. too different .. to compare the KH drops ton's of mid detail the 19 present's eloquently the KH produces bass performance the 19 I keep reading about how nice the mid-range Tactrix horns are.is Klipsch now (at this time) building new Klipschorn speakers with the Tactrix mid range horns??? Yes, the A7s didn't have a great low frequency response, and their high end response was only as good as the khorns. This is a sample of Klipsch's Flagship speaker displayed on their website! All except for the part about dealing with the shortcomings of horn shout, which is a problem that cannot be solved. Klipschorn mid range upgrade I know Al K. is using them on his Belles for sure. It will work ok at 400 Hz. i guess i need to take them out , since they are so well thought of. i have these .. i don't view them as overly bright but then You can post now and register later. Discussion in 'Audio Hardware' started by murphythecat, Oct 17, 2016. Paste as plain text instead, "Are the Vintage altecs as desirable as the klipsch seems to be?". I know of several people who have made than change. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Interesting. Today, the A7 is one of the most sought-after speakers for home audio in Japan, in part because real estate is so expensive in Japan that to be able to say you IMO the Altec Model 19 was the best turnkey speaker ever made. They all sound good and they're all different. Vintage Klipsch Heritage vs. Altec Lansing speakers - First Listen When you click on links to various merchants on this site and make a purchase, By reputation alone, I would certainly consider a pair of Klipsch Jubilie. Studio monitor class. Did he say why (in detail)? the altecs easliy go down to 30hz. It is funnyI have read this post before and I just spotted a pair of 19s in a local pawn shop todayI did not give it much though and then lau Blister8160 he has both & can give an honest assessment of the differences. They're also smaller (at least, not as tall as) the Dorsey knows cinema sound inside and out, and in this article he shares his personal thoughts about these highly valued horn designs, and provides valuable tips on how to restore them. 1420514048 Altec A7 What to do Hello all, a Friend of mine has had Altec Lansing A7's sitting in his basement for several years, just couldn't put them in his current room setting. Please check the fields highlighted in red. Your link has been automatically embedded. Altec Horn System Transform your Klipschorns Complete Midrange Swap for Klipschorn. That is why so many "tweakers' swap them out for Altec, JBL or other drivers. (e.g., check the vertical polar pattern on the Iwata profile horn that you propose, not just the horizontal pattern), and Sorry for that , but I cant agree . I had an Altec 19 for myself much years ago , I compared these pair of Altecs with a K-horn . I would like to get pair of commercial K-horns. I've considerable experience with both Klipsch and Altec speakers and IMO the Altecs are much smoother and have a more realistic midrange and late model Altecs with compensated crossovers (Models 14, 15, 18 and 19) have highs at least as extended as K-77 tweetered Klipsches. 811 is 800Hz, 511 is 500Hz, 311 is 300Hz. And in the Cornwall, a full-range domestic loudspeaker that is well regarded, a direct radiator, ported bass is used. Just a side comment. though there are other issues to resolve, a new pair of Jubilee's might actually cost you less than a new pair of Khorns (and perhaps sound better) Might at least be worth investigating. Absolutely not.what a silly question.[] Hey! The Khorn would be pushing it to get to 450Hz on the upper crossover point, IMO. The power supply for the Gradient active crossover was not included, so I am awaiting a new one that should arrive next week. Klipsch Khorn or Altec Lansing model 19 811 sounds just like 511 but 511 has a higher cutt-off frequency. I built him a set of MTM's and delivered them for Christmas. They can be improved by modifications to a completely superior level. Well you'll see lots of guys around here modding their Klipsch speakers with various Altec compression drivers, horns and woofers but I've NE Hell I'd love to have a pair of each. Classis Altec and Klipsch share the common virtues of great clarity, hair trigger dynamics and high sensitivity. Materion Truextent makes replacement diaphragms, http://alteclansingunofficial.nlenet.net/publications/techletters/AN-11_EnclosurePlans.pdf. could you say more about your experience with jubs? I'm also thinking about replacing the T-35 tweeters with Beyma CP-25s. You won't regret it! excellent in a small room and in a big room, word of mouth and Much better bass than the A7 cabinet. The driver on my 511B horn is the Altec 808-8a CD. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. ALTEC 604-HPLN (High Power Less Network) had 421 8 woofer LF + 16 HF diaphragm, so the. Quote Chris A Heritage Members 9.7k Location: Arlington, Texas, USA By clicking Subscribe, I agree to receive exclusive offers & promotions, news & reviews, and personalized tips for buying and selling on Reverb. Be sure to try several listening locations. You can post now and register later. Pasted as rich text. As someone else said, I'd be happy with either of them. It will! Just a fun debate for me. Condition: Used Used. Take heart, there will soon be an answer to the WAF and the horn upgrade! Klipschorn vs both 811 and 511 sound far better than K-400. Some of you talk about the 19s as tho they were the A7 voice of the theaters. As everyone says, a lot depends on the room, especially with Khorns. Although we have industrial La Scalas now and having sold our K-horns recently, my wife and were pleasantly surprised by how little space they actually occupy when nudged into long wall corners (in our case, 21 feet apart). 1 watched in the last 24 hours. I still think the best driver for the Khorn is the later K55V or K55M. Makes this a great hobby. Display as a link instead, He has them in a very large room and they sound very nice as it is, but there is definitely room for improvement. Altec A7 You didn't specify in your posting what particular Klipsch speakers you are thinking of, and most respondents have referred to various heritage models, chiefly the Klipschorn. I know you'll enjoy the process of getting a new pair of these legendary speakers! Sounds like you have found them underwhelming. Thanks for the info on your Klipschorn modded with tactrix mids. Therefore, of course I agree. Clear editor. i have a set put away, i havent brought them out in a long long time. Clear editor. Truth be told I've never listened to a pair of Khorns but I do have the Cornscalas and am blown away by their openness and clarity so, along with my HH Scott amp and Empire turntable connected to the new Khorns.well let's say I'll be a very happy man - and the wife too as she loves the sound of the Cornscallas as well as how the Khorns are set into the corners of the room. That would be like saying that you disagree that we are on planet earth. Anyone want to swap there Jub's for Altec 19's? Modern speakers vs Vintage speakers | What's Best Audio and